I farted. I know this because I detected the scent and sound and because I felt it. I also had an emotional reaction to it. It also produced an emotional reaction from others around me.
I farted. I know it, and others confirmed it, therefore I am a conscious being.
The Last Nephilim
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PROVE you are a conscious being
by journey-on inwhat words would you use?
what descriptions about your existence would you make to prove you are conscious?
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What's more important??
by The Last Nephilim ini'm placing this into the "scandals and coverups" section for good reason, i think.
a few days ago i had an elder and one of "the anointed" come by to encourage my wife and i to "get back to the meetings before it's too late".
i proceeded to tell him a few of the reasons why i've lost confidence in the elders and the organization, and he retorted with a real- life example of how i need to see that although the "brothers" can make mistakes, it's best to accept it as "jehovah's will" and play along.
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I'm placing this into the "Scandals and Coverups" section for good reason, I think. A few days ago I had an elder and one of "the anointed" come by to encourage my wife and I to "get back to the meetings before it's too late". I proceeded to tell him a few of the reasons why I've lost confidence in the elders and the organization, and he retorted with a real- life example of how I need to see that although the "brothers" can make mistakes, it's best to accept it as "Jehovah's Will" and play along. The example he gave was of a Bethelite who was a secretary. Some money came up missing and he got the blame and was disfellowshipped. After 7 years, some other judicial proceedings were taking place involving some other elders, and during this time it was discovered that the former secretary who was disfellowshipped for stealing was actually innocent and was set up to take the fall by the other elders. TWO governing body members went to the brother who was falsely accused and DF'd and told him, "We are NOT going to exonerate you. We are going to reinstate you." The reason? Because the congregation would be upset and disturbed that this brother was DF'd for 7 years even though he was totally and completely innocent! I was then told how the innocent brother was OK with the GB's decision because it was for the "greater good", so I, too, should just go along with the mistakes the GB or the BOE makes and not cause an upset in the congregation.
I say BULL$H!T !!! "Greater good"???? To me, what is RIGHT is always the greater good! What is right is that that poor man should have been exonerated and been issued a FULL apology by the Society!!!! The greater good is not to protect the organization's "holy" image to the rank and file! The greater good is to DO THE RIGHT THING NO MATTER HOW BAD IT MAKES YOUR PAST ACTIONS LOOK!!!! Besides, it was already determined that it was the other elders in the congregation that were doing the backstabbing! The GB wasn't even directly involved, save for the fact that they appointed those backstabbers!
Needless to say, his story of that account didn't teach me to be obedient and think only of the best interests of the organization (as he intended it to). It only proved to me that the organization is more concerned with their own interests and self- image instead of what's right!
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Living as a former JW
by yknot inwhile i personally have not yet made this jump (final meetings will be first week of june).
i hear many wishing me "happy easter" i wonder how many of you have adjusted?.
i don't think i can unlearn that most holidays are "pagan", after all even the history channel confirms this fact.
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If you still believe in God after being a JW, then the Bible and your conscience would have to dictate what you do. I, for one, still teach people that holidays and birthdays are pagan and therefore COULD be disapproved of by God, but I don't tell them they need to stop celebrating in order to continue worshipping God. That's their decision. I still don't believe the Bible teaches the trinity, but I think there's more evidence pointing to a cross rather than a stake. However, I still think a cross is classified as an idol. I believe that the FDS is everyone who slaves for God, not just a select group in Brooklyn. I believe that going house to house to convert people is not what Jesus had in mind when he said "Go therefore and make disciples..." and that it's not vital to your salvation. I don't think that "Do not forsake the gathering of yourselves together..." means you must attend meetings regularly at the KH. I also do not think that not attending means you will lose your salvation or that you are drawing away from God (that's all I've heard from the few who have bothered to call or come by since my wife and I stopped going). I see nothing wrong with having a neat beard. If anything, why does the GB frown upon beards when it clearly was God's standard for men in the Bible? Isn't it society in Satan's system that promoted the idea that beards are "unsightly" or "unclean"? I have only told a few people that I'm not a practicing JW, and those at work have to keep it to themselves because there's another JW that works there. I don't want to be DF'd before I have a chance to reveal more to my son, and I want to leave on my own terms, not the bORG's. I have found it liberating to read the Bible (even the NWT) without the taint of the bORG's literature or thinking to mess it up. Independent Bible reading ALONE can lead one away from the JW religion, let alone the politics and favoritism that occurs with it's adherents and leaders. I say read the Bible and let your conscience guide you. Tell people why YOU feel this way or that without telling them that they must conform to your thinking or they will not make it. Be happy knowing that other people are using their free will that God gave them to make their own decisions about how to worship Him. I find that this approach is much more fulfilling, less abrasive, and less stressful for you and the persons to talk to!
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Ok, this is a little odd for me...just need a little advice
by A-Team in...there is a young lady at my workplace, who is a jw, and is sending the obvious signs that she at least has interest in me...even know that i will be a minister 'of the devil's church', as jws call it, as of june.
i'm not going to lie, i think she's cute, and if she wants to talk, i would do it.
one of my major questions is this: if i am not a jw, why would she have any intrest in a person that is apart of 'satan's system'?
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Females in the JW organization are convinced from birth that finding a good JW man to marry is next to impossible (women FAR outnumber men in this religion), so sometimes the women go outside. She may be attracted to your reverence for God, and might be concluding in her own mind that "at least he believes in God and displays fruitage of the spirit in his personality". Of course, all too often some women think they can change a man, too!
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Currently fading with kids whose mother I am no longer married to who just got reinstated. Have exposed my teenage son to a few things but he can't handle the whole shebang yet. I think he still prays for me to come back. He doesn't mind missing meetings and service, however, except that his mother gives him a hard time about it. I have been around the JWs for over 12 years and been "in" for over 7. Always had doubts, which grew the more I learned. Sept 07 KM was pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back, which was already under strain from carrying all the bull$h!t of the elders playing favorites with certain @$$holes in the congregation. So far I have told two elders that I have no confidence in the BOE at our congregation, and that it has subsequently caused me to lose confidence in the org. Am curious to see how my wife and I are treated at the memorial tomorrow, which will be my wife's first return to the KH in over 3 months!
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Scariest Movie you have ever seen?
by Layla33 ini know as exjws, probably for the most, there was a secret freedom in watching horror films without thinking you would have a demon as a bed buddy.. i am not very fond of every horror movie, but i will watch those that have an intelligent side to it and is not gore for the sake of gore.
like "the ring" got me going when i first watched it, just like "the blair witch project" did, which is more about suspense.
anyway, i never saw any of the saw movies, so i am going to try to watch saw iii tonight, since it is on showtime.
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"Blair Witch" was hilarious to me during the first half, especially when the girl was making fun of the one guy's chest hair and the part when the same guy had thrown away the map!!! That was some funny stuff!! I was the only one laughing out loud in the theater! After the "scary" stuff started happening, I knew it was all fake (My sister went on about how it was real footage and based on a true story, yadda, yadda). We argued at the end of it whether or not it was real so I sat through the credits and waited for the "Everything was fake and any similarities with actual persons is purely coincidence" disclaimer to prove it to her.
Having said that, the one movie that left me scared to death was "Prince of Darkness"
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093777/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Darkness_(film)
This movie makes it EXTREMELY difficult to ever look into a mirror again!!! I am OK now, but I haven't watched this movie in YEARS...
Honorable mentions are the scenes in "The Sixth Sense" when the boy runs into his little "tent" and turns around to find himself face-to-face with a dead girl, plus the scene where his mom leaves him in the kitchen for a few seconds only to return to find all the cabinet doors open and his sweaty palm prints as he leaves the table (evidence that he wasn't the one who opened all the cabinet doors)!
The movie ended on a positive note, though, and it was evident that Bruce Willis's character was a ghost before it was revealed in the movie, so by the end of the movie, the scary factor was diminished. -
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Did you ever buy from Ebay?
by JH inwhat would you love to find on ebay, that you can't find anywhere?.
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Plenty. Watch out for scammers if you sell! If you are sent an email that looks "official" that asks you to ship the item overseas and then your money will be transferred to your PayPal account- DON'T DO IT!!! Especially if the buyer wants you to ship it to Nigeria! They are bad about scamming over there! Bidding does go crazy at the end of an auction, especially the last 15- 30 seconds! And yes, some sellers can have a friend across town set a high bid and if no one bids higher, then all you have to do is pretend that your friend paid and you shipped the item, and then he sands you some very nice feedback which makes your seller rating look even better even though no transaction took place! This works for a while, but becomes increasingly difficult because even if your buddy changes his username on eBay, it still know that it's the same person. It starts looking awfully suspicious if your buddy is the only one buying stuff from you, unless you sell something like golf balls or blank CDs.
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Do you believe the FDS is God's spirit directed organization???
by cognac inummm, hi, no!!!.
how do you get around that question without lying???
i want to get some people out of this org while i'm still in but don't want to lie either....
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Since the FDS is not what the organization says it is, then my answer to that question would be, "I believe the FDS is spirit directed." Notice I left out the part about the "organization"? I would NOT say, "I believe the FDS is God's spirit directed organization". That would be false. Of course, the elders are skilled at interrogation, and it would soon be clear to them after an hour or so that although you believe that the FDS is spirit directed, you do not believe the GB to be the FDS.
Perhaps a better approach would be that since we are to follow our conscience and we know the FDS to publish false information from time to time (See Awake! 1993 Mar. 22 p.4), then everything they publish, whether doctrine or policy or opinion, must be scrutinized heavily and one's individual Bible- trained conscience must decide what is true and what is false. Though to some extent they may be spirit- directed, they are not infallible and therefore the FDS cannot be blindly trusted without question. These are the things I question and why... (enter your list here). Then when they raise immortal hell about you being an apostate, quote them this excerpt from the Watchtower April 1, 1991 p.17 "Mankind's Search for God" article;
"Thus, every person is encouraged to examine other religions with an open mind. As is stated on page 10: “Understanding one another’s viewpoint can lead to more meaningful communication and conversation between people of different faiths.” It continues: “True, people may strongly disagree about their religious beliefs, but there is no basis for hating a person just because he or she holds a different viewpoint.”
After that, how can they disfellowship anyone for not completely following the organization? You can even throw in these quotes from the 4/1/1920 Watchtower page 101;
"If some did not care to work in harmony with the Society thus constituted, that would be their privilege; yet that would not mean that there should be any ill feeling, nor that such should be disfellowshipped... If others see it in a different way, that is their privilege. There should be full liberty of conscience."
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Thinking of becoming a Witness again and my reasons for doing so :(
by reniaa ini've been a faded jw for 10 years i left because of my failed first marriage, i'm no hypocrite and realised i had left completely so i embraced the world and dived in, only christmas and birthdays i could not get into, they were too foreign to me having never celebrated them, like if i suddenly tried to do ramadan or something like that.. 1/ all the criticisms of the people in the truth you say on here, i've found in the world, warts and all only in the world nothing holds them back from being utterly horrible to you.. 2/ i got stabbed by a worldly boyfriend, i got married 2 times of my own choosing to men outside the truth, the first smoked and was an alcoholic, the second gambled every penny we had and defrauded me out of money after we separated, 2 divorces later i am currently pregnant and a single mum since current boyfriend decided kids was to much of a responsibility and he needed his freedom and i was 'too selfish to expect him to give up his life'.. 3/ parents-in-law!
i have been shunned by them as equal to anything you accuse witness families of and for the silliest of reasons, i had a disabled son and his grandparents said they wanted nothing to do with him because they didn't want to become attached in case he died.. 4/ i miss the honest friendships of the truth, i had friends of all ages from 14 to 80 years old and they genuinely cared for me, many trying to keep me in the faith a long time after i left but i was determined to fade so moved away completely, but i find friendships in the world so shallow in comparison and very hard to sustain :( i've never been a drinker and sometimes thats what friendship means you being a companion for them to goto pub with.. 5/ my recent boyfriend was in a christian religion, i thought why not find out about it, harvest churches if you ever heard of them, unfortunately it still hasn't stop him leaving me pregnant and alone and when i said to him how does he clear that with god, he replies "as long as i repent it doesn't matter" it's like he has a "get out of jail free card" for any wrong-doing in the bible, this is so alien to me and my witness trained conscience.. 6/ i recently out of frustration tried looking into atheism and joined their forums, it wasn't fun, they are as bombastic and arrogant as their religious counterparts can be from any religion, they make a religion out of not believing in god, it's very weird they talk of saving people from believing in god and offer nothing to replace it.
they said to me "be happy you are in reality now and enjoy it" and i thought "well if this is reality i've had enough of it".
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Well, I didn't take the time to read all four pages of responses, but let me tell you about my "experience" in the "truth";
1/ I married a girl who was raised in the "truth". She started to sleep around on me after only 3 years of marriage (I didn't know it at the time). Seven years and 6 lovers later, I finally caught on. Even though I was the "innocent" mate and it was supposed to be my decision, she insisted on divorce. She has since married a "worldly" guy and gotten reinstated. My two kids with her have suffered ever since!
2/ When my wife and I began our fade a few months back, all of our so- called "friends" suddenly lost interest in us. No one called. No one came by. We would bump into some in the grocery store or whatnot and they would give us the ole' "We miss you" speech. Yeah- they miss us so much they had to pick up the phone and call, right?? Now we get shunned when we're seen out in public by our so- called "friends"! Proverbs 17:17- "A true companion is loving all the time, and is a brother that is born for when there is distress." Notice it says "ALL the time"? Notice also that it says "when there is distress"? If a person is missing meetings for 3 months, wouldn't that be an indicator of "distress"? Sounds to me like what I have at the Kingdom Hall is false companions, not "true companions"!
3/ You already know that being a JW means that you will be judged by your meeting attendance and field service report. No one, especially the elders, cares whether or not you're good to people, that you share your time and material things with others, that you help those in need, etc... All of that means diddly- squat unless you're turning in at least 10 hours a month and never miss a meeting! Otherwise, you're just "spiritually weak" to them...
Honestly, your story just sounds like you've made some bad, maybe even desperate decisions. I don't mean that to be an insult, because everyone does it at times. You either already knew your boyfriends were selfish alcoholics or they became that way afterwards. In either case, the blame is not on the fact that those guys weren't JWs. I was worldly when my raised in the "truth" first wife married me. Evidently I had a better upbringing and stronger moral character than she did, yet I'm from the world (and, as far as JWs are concerned, back in it)!
If being among false companions is your idea of happiness, then go for it! If having your mind force- fed to believe lies is fulfilling to you, then go for it! I may not agree with your opinions, but I firmly believe in your right to have them! Good Luck! -
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POLICE RAID AT BETHEL/ KINGDOM HALL
by edmond dantes insuppose there was a police raid at a kingdom hall and they discovered a confiscation cupboard, anyone got ideas on what the contents of the locker might be .i have a list maybe you can add to it.. item reason for confiscation.
chess set warfare simulation.
world's best cigarettes/ a book bad for health written by a russian, ivor chestikoff.. u.n .library card, name on it, fred franz say no more.. charles atlas body building course ,1920's don't need it armageddon will be here by 1940. victorian oil lamp old light.
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DVD- Full Metal Jacket Violence/Language/Sexual References/Racial Slurs